Category: Zone BBS Suggestions and Feedback
I do admire creativity and enjoy humor very much, but... sometimes both these can be used in a very distastefull manner. I am talking about blindguy's audio profile where he uses his obvious talents with sound mixing to create a caricature (negative stereotype) of a person who is a jew. I feel that this is very racist, discriminatory and degrades a person of a certain religion and culture. As much as I support freedom of speech, this freedom should NOT be used to humiliate or make fun of other's religious beliefs and cultural backgrounds. I want to request that such guidelines be set when people want to place a public audio profile. I also want to request that blindguy uses his tallent of sound editing in a less racist way and removes this offensive audio profile. Thank you, Star
agrees
also forgot to say all these profiles are full of nonsence so I'd not pay atention to them.
Throw the jew down the well! Actually I can do what ever I want, even the KKK is protected with freedom of speach. I'm not taking it down for anyone, go cry to someone who gives a fuck. PS Ali G Borat Rules!!
To be honest, I didn't even realize it was talking about Jews. It sounded like the word "jewel" to me. *really; not joking on that* I'm not saying I agree with the profile then, but the sound effects do sound cool. I know everyone has a right to free speech and all that stuff, but he could've used something else instead of Jews or any other specific people I guess. Other than that, it don't seem like a big deal to me.
Leilani
That is OK blindguy because one day nobody will give a fuck either when you get all fucked up by someone with the same attitude like yours! Because I am sure there are enough people out there who just love to push blind idiots like you down stairs, into wells, or just beat the shit out of them just for fun!!! But what am I saying? You are ALREADY all fucked up!!! Have a good life (if you manage to live long enough with your rotten attitude that is). Star
Throw the jew down the well more information can be found at
www.throwthejewdownthewell.com
Let me post what it says here for you all
"
disclaimer: this is just a parody of country music made by Ali-G, this is not to be intended as a hate site or anti-semitist site. THIS IS JUST A JOKE don't
take it seriously or get offended.
"
The actual song is a guy of middle eastern descent singing a country song. So.. Everyone calm down. If you want a distasteful audio profile, I'll post one, but don't challenge me.
I don't normally do this, but I'm adding to this post.
I played it for a few of my friends of jewish descent and they actually enjoyed it. Plus, if anyone's an ass, it would be me. who do ya think did the sounds and the overall production?
Lighten up folks, Ali G is truly funny, some of his stuff is amazing. I'm sure people wouldn't have as many problems if it was "throw the muslim down the well". Sure it's a little racist sounding but Ali G pokes fun at all races and ethnic minorities and evenif he occasionally goes overboard it's all in good fun. I mean, look at South Park, same idea, same over-the-top type of humour but they make fun of everyone so to me it's fine.
I have friends from all relegions and races and I might have offended them sometimes by playing this stuff but it proves that I'm not thinking of them as belonging to that relegion or race, I think of people as people and couldn't care less what color or nationality or relegion or sexual orientation they are (well, I would have a problem with gay guys hitting on me, fortunately never happened, but it would not be pleasent, otherwise people are free to choose whomever they please to make them happy).
cheers
-B
I did listen to the profile, and thought it was racist at first, then remembered that Kyle on South Park gets busted on for being a jew all the time, and decided not to bitch about cuz South Park is funny as hell.
To be honest: I could care less. Now it sounds very negitive yeah but for gods sakes people it's just a fucking profile. It's his profile, let him do what he pleases. Again this statement should've been taken to the admin or blindguy in person. Just like the more anagram cheating post it's just a game let it go. And with personal profiles they can do whatever they want. If you feel this strongly about it Star why didn't you talk it over with the dude in private? Or better yet give him the lowest rating in his audio profile and comment about it? I'm not taking sides but I'm kinda getting annoyed with people slamming others in public. And this is the last you'll hear from me about complaining as I wont post or read if I don't like it. I'll just sit on the sidelines here and laugh or bash about it on messenger with trusted friends. Just take a breather pal and let blindguy do what he pleases. In the end slowly but surely he'll stop. As he loves people's negitivity it fuels his fire he sees it, he thinks you all are enjoying it in his mind he'll keep on going on and on until all ignore him or when the admin throws him out. Can we kinda get on with our lives with this guy?
I do understand where you come from Liam and I also understand the idea of a parody. Yes, it can be very funny but the other side of the coin is that many here whine and complain saying that they as blind people they don't like being stereotyped, that sighted people think of then as this or that and that they are not these negative things but unique individuals. OK, how come and all these individuals suddenly don't see the same kind of stereotyping when it comes to this audio profile? It is called selective association which means that if something is not about me personally, I don't bother to think about it. What I was hoping for was that blindguy would do would what Liam did, explain, apologize (if needed) and show that he at least understands why I was concerned. Instead he puts up a bad attitude. With South Park it's a different story because one of the creators of the series is Jewish himself. When a Jewish person makes a parody about his/her own religion or culture it's different. The same goes when a blind person calls him/her self a blinky or a name that if it would come from a sighted stranger it would be racistic and discriminatory. Ok I think you all get the point so I will stop here. Thanks for all who read this and posted comments.
Wow you're asking for this guy to apologize? If you saw the more anagaram cheating post made by acosia (sorry sp incorrect.) he chastised her in her own topic. Did he apologize to her and others that he slammed in her topic? I didn't see one. In fact all I did was left him alone even if he made snide remarks at me. So it's his profile, let him do what he wants. I mean what are you gonna do? Ask the admin to throw him out? I highly doubt it. You don't see me getting upset at him for bashing others in their own topics cause I prefer not to start something.
totally agree with Star here. Blindguy, you certainly could have come on here to explain, so at least we may not get any more of the wrong idea, and that you know how it can be considered as offensive.
Ok I have to agree with Starr on this one. Blindguy, I suggest that you get an attitude adjustment. Ok, I know it's your profile and people do as they pleased with their profiles, but the racism's gotta stop. We have enough racism in our country already, so why post something that you know people will look at and draw attention to it?
I honestly think he likes to offend people, and that's his choice. Although I don't agree with the profile itself, but if he wants to portray himself that way, I feel this is his choice, just like it is everyone else's choice on here not to or not to put up such audio profiles and crap on the boards. It sucks that people offend each other, whether it's by accident or on purpose, but I will reiterate what I said in the "obscene language" topic. If u don't like something on TV, u change the channel, right? So, apply this concept here. I think the audio profile is crap, based on the message it sends, but beyond that there isn't much I can do.
As absurd as it may sound, yes I do hope that blindguy will apologize. He is a human being and a much as he puts on an act of being tough and unemotional towards others, I want to believe that there is some goodness and decency inside him. Or at least I do hope there is, because if he is just a teenager and he is already that bad inside, there is not much hope of him becoming a decent adult ever. He will either piss someone so badly that he will end up dead in a ditch (maybe even a well LOL) or no one will want him around. So yes, I do hope he will apologize one day.
Star
Yes, I do agree with that and see where you're coming from. However I don't expect this guy to appologize. This is his online character, for better or for worse, he's said worse things on the message boards than in this particular profile so I would just leave it .. whatever you do wrong will come back to you at some point and you don't have to be the channel through which that happens (hehe, no, I'm not saying that I am no angel, I'm sure I've done a lot of stupid and wrong things, but I've always been polite and respectful to people and I have lots of friends and it's paid off a lot). :)
So, sorry you take offense to it, it's not worth taking offense to, but it was worth pointing it out.
cheers
-'
B
Star
Yes, I do agree with that and see where you're coming from. However I don't expect this guy to appologize. This is his online character, for better or for worse, he's said worse things on the message boards than in this particular profile so I would just leave it .. whatever you do wrong will come back to you at some point and you don't have to be the channel through which that happens (hehe, no, I'm not saying that I am no angel, I'm sure I've done a lot of stupid and wrong things, but I've always been polite and respectful to people and I have lots of friends and it's paid off a lot). :)
So, sorry you take offense to it, it's not worth taking offense to, but it was worth pointing it out.
cheers
-'
B
Though implying that he chould apologize is jsut saying that your standard of decency is different than his. To him and others, what he put up was OK and jsut a random joke. But to you and others, it's different. You're saying he should apologize because you happen to have a different view of what is "decent"?
<grin>
j, of course he is just expressing his view that someone else should appologize to him, he is, by the very definition, totally free to express that view and have it discust, as long as he does not specifically aask you or another community leader to take actons against blindguy. ;)
cheers
-B
I also agree with Star here. While i know that this guy won't apologize, and he just wants attention, we dont need this racist bullshit on the zone. if thats how you feel, then fine, but keep it to yourself ok
Well if he has to bow down to your demands and apologize to you. He may as well apologize to everyone else he hurts. But I hadn't seen anything. Nor will I expect it. I think what he did to acosha was very nasty in her topic. If you ask me, he should be apologizing to her. But since this site allows freedom of speech and expression I highly doubt you'll see anything of a apology. Don't let this guy get to you.
J-squared I have to say that I am very surprised at your comment. Racism and discrimination is not just MY point of view concerning decency. When I voice my concerns I am not just expressing a personal point of view but one that is common for everyone living in a country that respects democracy. And the USA is such a democracy. Also, I am NOT asking or saying that blindguy HAS to or MUST apologize to me, I just hope that he will apologize one day out of his own free will. That at least will show us that he has some decency in him and respect for others.
You wrote:
When I voice my concerns I am not
just expressing a personal point of view but one that is common for everyone living
in a country that respects democracy. No point of view is common, because it wouldn't be a point of view, it would be a fact. The judgment on whether Blindguy's profile is a display of racism or a humorous bit is where the difference in opinion is, and assuming that your opinion is right is just foolish. Noone can assume that any opinion is right. That's why it's called an opinion, not a fact.
You mean to tell me J, that an audio profile that depicts a jewish person as greedy and mean is NOT racistic? If that is so, then why did the original creator of this parody felt he had to post a disclamer in his website stating that it is not meant as a racist remark? At least the original creator had the decency to recognize this fact. I think that you don't really understand where freedom of speech ends and where another person's rights begin. There is a very delicate line there. As a person who is involved with blind organizations that try to fight the negative stereotyping of blind people, I had expected you to be a little more concerned when a person posts such distasteful things on your website and then acts arrogantly when this fact is pointed out to him. If that is the person whose actions you feel you must defend, then so be it.
I personally even like Ali G Borat he has a show on HBO and I think he is very funny. He interviews people pretending to be an African American, a foreign reporter from Kazakhstan, and a gay guy from Austria. The questions he asks the people he interviews are confusing because he makes them believe he agrees with their very point of view which is often racist and discriminatory but he actually tricks them into voicing these attitudes and making themselves look like idiots. The parody is on them. Another thing I want to point out is that Borat is jewish himself (Sacha Cohen is his real name) so when he sings about the greedy jew, the evil jew (grab him by the horns) and the beastlike jew (be carefull of his teeth) Sacha actualy makes fun of these stereotypes. The problem is that blindguy is not jewish and his attitude and reaction shows that he meant it to be a racist remark by commenting that KKK has also freedom of speech. J, I am disappointed that you choose to intervene in this matter and take sides with blindguy. Not wanting conflict is one thing while allowing racism by claimig it's freedom of speech is a very different matter.
You are a fucking hipicrit. From your post "I personally even like Ali G Borat he has a show on HBO and I think he is very funny. He interviews people pretending to be an African American, a foreign
reporter from Kazakhstan, and a gay guy from Austria." He is not gay to my knolidge, and he deffinetely is not black. If he can make fun of these people when is not any of htem then I can make fun of jewish people even if i'm not one. Some of my good friends are jewish, and I still do it not because i hate them but because it's funny. Also you obviously think you are the moral police since you go around and get rid of all the stereotypes of blind people or try to. People like you make me sick, unfortionately a lot of those stereotypes are true, and if you are decent then people will respect you for who you are. There will always be the jackass out there who thinks your worthless because your blind, but you arn't going to sway them. I guess this gives you a job to do, since you can't hold a real job in the world.
No, I'm not standing by Blindguy, I'm standing against your assumption that by going against your opinion, I'm condoning racism. Who are you to judge someone's intent on whether something is racist or not? BTW, I have a blind jokes website up in case you didn't know, so everyone's fair game. And don't bring organizational affiliations in to this, as I will think on my own and not be bound by the beliefs of others. The same reason why Blindguy can keep his profile on the site is the same reason you can blab on about it endlessly. What others choose to do with your ramblings is up to them. And I'm sorry, Blindguy's got you this time. By mentioning the show on HBO just proves our point. Why is that Ok when the profile supposedly isn't?
ooooooh poor old Helen Kela - is all I can say. They're terrible J, some plain sad but others total "roflmao" material. and what's with the dead-end privacy policy - while we're on the subject of your "blind jokes" page?! Lol
and about the profile, calm down all - I originally didn't know about the parity from before Blindguy's.Each to their own I guess.
we all know by now blindguy likes to stir. Guess all we can do is respect each other's opinions here everybody! I do feel however that Blindguy missed Starr's point; being that the original parity appeared to have a disclaimer.
Let's all get along, please?!
i guess this site is about the total freedom of speech and if we don't like something, just shake the old head and move on.
Cheers! :)
Where's yoru blind jokes page, J? I want to go there.
Caitlin
I am now more than ever convinced that neither you J, nor the blindguy are familiar with Ali G's show nor get the point of this issue. If you were, you would have realized that: 1- He does NOT portray an African American but a guy who is a rapper from England. 2- You would have realized that the parodies are on the people he interviews because they don't get his questions not on being African American or gay. 3- I am not concerned with Ali G's work but with blindguy's attitude espcially the way he responded (aggressive, arrogant, and distasteful). 4- You have both no clue what freedom is and think it's something that allows one do do whatever they want without any consideration for others. Finally, I wish for blindguy to one day have the kind of job I had for 6 years in the real world as he said... This job is now putting me through college by allowing me to pay the nearly $25000 tuition per year. I can afford to be a full-time student without scholarships, without having to work and without any assistant from my parents. Lets see how well he will do in the real world...
yeah this issue got blown way out of proportion. It's just a profile for gods sake. On some of the boards I'm on now has a close post where no one can post once locked. Some of these discussions that have concerns that already got answers in them should be closed now. So that we can all move on and get along.
Let me remind you of your prior post. "I personally even like Ali G Borat he has a show on HBO and I think he is very funny. He interviews people pretending to be an African American" If you are going to talk about the show at least make your mind up for criste sake, and quit being John Kerry and fucking flip flopping. As for real jobs, I've already had two internsyhips where I was expected to make deadlines, and all that stuff so I know hwat a real world job is. Hopefully you will stay in school for your entire life so you don't get out enough to give all the rest of the blind people a bad name.
Blindguy, you have nothing to fight me with so you just use my words -which you don't even understand what they mean- against me. That is how stupid you are. You can't come up and use anything original. You copycat Ali G, you copycat me. You are just a 16 year old adolescend who needs to grow up! Go to school, go get a life and stop begging for attention by pissing everyone off. End of this conversation. Whatever anyone posts after this message I will not bother to neither read nor reply. Hasta la vista!
Face it Star when I pick apart the contradictions in your message you go off on me because you know you can't win. I'd be proud to say I beet you, but you don't ahve the intelect to make that worth my time, I'd gloat if it was someone like lawloard who was worth beating, now go cry and eat your galllon of ben and Jerries ice cream.
Grow up blindguy!
Ya know, insults flow a lot better when they are without spelling or gramatical errors.
This nah-nah I beat you is just so childish. Grow up hon! Ben and Jerry's rocks!
ya know .. we all flow a lot better if insults weren't thrown at all. It is, childish and pointless. so let's not waste any more bandwidth shall we? Let's actually be nice and friendly to each other.
I put this poast on the top again because there is another simila poast in the let's talk board.
back to the original point, star, you have something new up your ass every week, and it's all stupid shit, as for the profile, don't play it if you're offended
Again, I say, it's just a profile. Oy...
Well, yankee maybe I have something new up my ass every week which is more than I can say about you. After reading your livejournal I now understand why you are so angry and frustrastrated: you are bored out of your mind! keep up the good work and stay the kind of bored and boring person you are. Star
God, 43 posts on just a profile, and star, you are a hippercrit! you post to say tat you won't be reading or responding to any posts after this one, and then you go and post again and again!
And anyway, i really don't see anything wrong with his profile anyway, and niether do my jewish friends.
comon, unless your a n00b you'll know that blindguy will do something creative in his profile, so its your own fault.
and caitlin, just google for blind jokes, its on teh top page, i think the domains something like bestmidi.com.
BEN.
man who dared to bring this post up to the foreground again? this is over a year old! and that post was not that necessary yankee. starr is right, you seem to have anger issues or something?!??
Lol .. anyway, while I'm here discussing audio profiles, just a gripe I have with the ratings of them. It would seem to me that everyone is scoring for a talent quest, when i thought the purpose was just to let one's voice be heard!
I don't know why I'm stating this cos ya can't change people; it's just ticking me off though - I mean music in the background; I agree. it shows you have a bit of talent in the digital audio department but it's not the be-all-and-end-all. It's not my idea of audio profiles anyway.